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okay here's our interview

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with kirby summers

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you know i i first heard about you

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because you interviewed one of my um

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twitter friends

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um

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who wrote robert maxwell israel super

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spy uh you interviewed uh martin dillon

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oh okay

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yeah so that's kind of how i know about

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you but i just uh listened

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to your interview with conchita

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sarnoff is that how to pronounce your

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last name yes and i'm fuming so let me

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know when i can vent

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okay we will talk about conchita i

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thought you were going to mention bob

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he and i have collaborated on another

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book and i find him to be a lovely

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sincere man yeah i've not listened to

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your interview if you have interviewed

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him yeah we interviewed him he's out of

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ohio right yes and he he knows um

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alex what's what's the name lexner les

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leslie wexner

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background on him

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right and and in fact he you know he did

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some he was a one of the first people

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to

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really study leslie wexner and jeffrey

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epstein so much so

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that and i don't know if he told you

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this but so much so that he received in

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the mail a hand written two handwritten

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notes with the words

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jeff epstein equal

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toe tag so like you know it was a very

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specific threat of his life was in

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danger but it didn't stop a bob he he's

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just very motivated to um

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get the truth out

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i think he's the one

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who

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said he believes or knows i forget which

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that that there was

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some

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physical relationship between

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the way he knows that is because the

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person who was in charge of

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investigating

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and i for his name escapes me and he's

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recently deceased

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he had conducted an invest investigation

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sort of in-house internal

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very long document uh

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looking to see

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who murdered arthur shapiro in 1985

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arthur shapiro was leslie wexner's tax

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attorney

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i don't know if if

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if he went into this with you who was

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murdered

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mob style one day before he was

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scheduled to testify before the grand

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jury

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and this was a very quiet um

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you know man who had an office with

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three other guys

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in leslie wexner's um

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albany headquarters for the limited

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which of course is also victoria's

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secret and so years later it was sturtz

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his last name was sturtz and he's just

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recently retired so sturtz discovered

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someone

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just hid an investigation that would

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and and the implication was leslie

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to the murder of shapiro and

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this was just made to disappear so

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somehow it ended up on in on bob

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sort of office he had put in some kind

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of request

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and through a miracle

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he ended up with this report

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so he ended up of course following up

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with sturtz who said that during the

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investigation and and frankly not only

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of the murder of

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bob

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of uh i'm sorry arthur shapiro which

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happened in 1985

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to keep that date in mind because

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epstein and wexner are alleged by

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mainstream media to have only met in

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okay and even though epstein

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did make a statement one time that's in

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mainstream media that it was uh one year

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before that but they've been trying to

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keep pushing that gate away so that

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epstein was considered in quotes the

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boyfriend

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and um that he was also a person of

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in the murder of not only

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arthur shapiro but also

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robert maxwell

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they're connecting the deaths of shapiro

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with maxwell

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they're connecting

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jeffrey epstein

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to the as a person of interest

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in the deaths of arthur shapiro

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and in the death of robert maxwell

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obviously nothing nothing came of it but

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what's interesting because i connect a

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lot of dots and i've been writing these

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books because

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it connects to my own life and the

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person in my life who turned me into a

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sex slave

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um and these people are just

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intergenerational and they just slap

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over like um

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it's like a braid it's it's just very

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embedded into our society and it's much

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broader than most people realize

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well so just to tie off a couple pieces

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there before we i do want to go to your

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story

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because obviously it connects to how you

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got involved in all this and you're

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interested in it all so so in that there

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is an investigative report where epstein

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is referred to as wexner's boyfriend

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the word i have school at this point so

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many years into this i've spoken to

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enough people who live in ohio and who

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have worked for wexner and and people

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who have sort of known about him um

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and known and and done business with him

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for years

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the talk about wexner was always that he

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was gay i mean obviously he didn't get

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married until he was what 55 i think it

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was um

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and um so but there's also talk

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there are things that i wanted to bring

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to your show

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um and i just let me just go over the

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things that i kind of just pulled out

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because i think

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that what i wanted to share with you was

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stuff that other people did not have

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right so for example

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when martin dillon was on your show he

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insisted that galen maxwell was not

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dating jeffrey epstein in the 19 mid

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1980s and i can confirm that's true the

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second and and epstein and and maxwell

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were not a couple

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um i want to discuss uh and bring to

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your attention that there are

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photographs of bill clinton hillary

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and uh richard branson having sex and

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donald trump having sex with children

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and that a lawsuit was

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was um

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uh settled by epstein in 2017 and that

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the woman involved uh who has these

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photographs who has been called a liar

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by alan dershowitz uh has now written a

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book it'll be out soon i want to discuss

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how jeffrey epstein fled the country

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and went to israel in 2008

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after the non-prosecution agreement was

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signed and before he turned himself in

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so frankly he was going to stay there

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and you know nobody else

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has this information so what i wanted to

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do with you

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if it's okay jim is give you stuff that

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other people don't have because you're

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the same path other people

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and i i would love to just give you new

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if that's i don't know you know what i'm

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saying yeah that makes sense that makes

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sense um and then do you also want to

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talk about your story at all um

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as it pertains to i i want to bring up

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the conchita

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sarnoff comments about virginia dufrey

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as it pertains to

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what she claims to be i was a trafficked

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uh victim and i did become a sex slave

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to one of these billionaires connected

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to the jeffrey epstein leslie wexner

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glenn maxwell circle i'm happy to say

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that and and then answer uh certain

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things from the perspective of someone

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who was entrapped in that world for a

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very long time so i'm happy to do that

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okay all right well let's get let's get

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rolling um you know we're recording

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let's just touch on briefly if you don't

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mind your personal story to whatever

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extent you're willing to share it and we

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don't need to go into terrific detail

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but but basically the essence of

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your trafficking or being trafficked

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story so that we then know the context

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in which you know you've gotten very

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involved in interested in the epstein

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right so um i was date raped um

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and i became pregnant uh during a time

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many many years ago

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trying to get my fashion clothing

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company off the ground

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and i was in between i

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the company i worked for as an

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administrative assistant to just moved

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from new york where i live to

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connecticut and i thought okay great i'm

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gonna get

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my company off the ground i had just

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left my boyfriend that i lived with for

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five years

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and i went on a date

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i was raped i to my

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absolute horror i discovered that i was

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pregnant

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the the fabric that i had given to my

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the woman who was doing my clothing

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uh i i thought okay great i can

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get my um

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my merchandise from her name was zora

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and she had a place where she did my

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clothing in new jersey but she had

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fallen ill she never contacted me long

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story short none of my clothing was

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ready i needed to get an abortion

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i i went to my ex-boyfriend and i told

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him what had happened and these are the

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it was the you did the the term date

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rape

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would had not been invented and i told

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him that you know he he pushed his way

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into my apartment he threw me on the

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floor that this happened to me and so

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you know it's clearly it was great and i

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i said look i just need to borrow 250

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to get an abortion and you know then i

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can you know i i was and he

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he i guess because he was so jealous or

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whatever it was or hey he said i don't

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believe it i think that you were you had

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sex with him uh because you wanted to

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and so i went to my older sister i have

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a sister who was 14 years my senior

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who was very much like my mother my

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second mother

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made the same request and she said she

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had always um

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had um issues with the fact that

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there were two younger children in in

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the home and she had not gotten the

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attention that i guess she felt we were

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getting but she looked at me and she

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said well i'm not gonna give you 250

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dollars

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and she had money it's not like she

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didn't she had you know closets full of

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clothes new clothing she had a car in

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new york city to have a car that's a big

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deal

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um

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and she said but i can take you

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somewhere where you can earn it so my

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sister trafficked me

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and um i never recovered from that

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nightmare and it was through that that

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then i ended up uh

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how old were you at that time i was in

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my 20s

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you know you can be in your 20s and

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and was she herself trafficked

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not to my knowledge no

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so she connected you

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with a man who would

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pay you for sex or

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she she took me to a brothel it's in my

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book i mean it's in my book the

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billionaires woman i i

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wrote that 20 years ago

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and i started selling it through my

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website kirbysummers.com

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two years ago i use um real names so

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my abuser's father's name is well known

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as michelin rickless

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he was married to piazza dora if that

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name rings a bell and he is connected to

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leslie wexner he is connected to robert

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maxwell he is connected to

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to all of these people and so that is

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how i come to this story i come to this

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story

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because

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while i was connecting the dots of of

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what happened to me there have been

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three attempts on my life

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i was held hostage in my apartment at

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knifepoint the police never came despite

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the fact that i called them twice

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and so for years i did not understand

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why anyone would want me dead i was this

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man sex slave for eight years he unlike

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what jeffrey epstein did let's say with

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virginia to fray

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he did not

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lend me around it was i was

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just his beckon call person i was not

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his girlfriend i did not want to be his

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girlfriend

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he paid a police officer

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from the police precinct

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that

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is responsible for the upper east side

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if you know new york it's there's fifth

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avenue there's park avenue that's where

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the millionaires and the billionaires

350
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live there's a police precinct in that

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area that basically concerns themselves

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with

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protecting the very wealthy people he

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paid

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the police captain at the time whose

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name is dave a hundred and fifty

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thousand dollars to find me for him when

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i disappeared out of that world

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found a boyfriend settled down

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re-enrolled in school

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started my life over i was very very

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happy

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he pursued he pursued he pursued he made

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he eventually made my boyfriend and i

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break up he wore me down you know he

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would have me followed in central park

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when i was on my bike i mean i this this

368
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is in my book and and i've said this

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to

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different people that on different

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podcasts but i was always curious why do

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people want me dead

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it became you know at some point i i

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ended up getting a call in 2008 from

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someone in the in the uh cia and

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and from that moment on i was like this

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is part of there's an intelligence

378
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operation here

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and um then of course when i learned

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about the epstein thing i was like okay

381
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i'm getting close

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so when jeffrey epstein was arrested on

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july 6 of 2019

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i've been a real estate broker for 20

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years

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at at that point of

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my own company doing well even though i

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have been

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always attacked always had

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fake people put into my life

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long before ronan farrow wrote uh harvey

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weinstein's army of spies for the new

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yorker and i thought okay that's it i

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was dating a guy i sat him down we sat

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down at uh

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at a hotel lobby and i said listen my

397
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life is going to change because this guy

398
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just got arrested and i'm going to start

399
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talking about it on twitter tomorrow and

400
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i don't know where this is going to take

401
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me but i'm not going to do

402
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my life changes today and that's what

403
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i've been doing i've been connecting the

404
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pieces writing books

405
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and and solving my mystery while helping

406
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other trafficked

407
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:35,759
people not just the epstein victim so

408
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briefly what does it mean that you were

409
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a sex slave is someone you're not having

410
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an affair

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um

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the way it the way that it came into

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being was

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i was i had gone back to school i was

415
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studying for midterms my boyfriend

416
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um

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was a bond broker and

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at this point i had a part-time job as

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an administrative assistant

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um

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for a a bank holding company so you know

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not in a bank but a bank holding company

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and i was going to school part-time and

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i thought okay i can get my degree and

425
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and i can so i was studying for midterms

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i believe it was a tuesday or

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it was a tuesday i was studying for

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midterms it was october

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and um i don't tend to answer the

430
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doorbell i live in manhattan and we

431
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don't answer

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unless you're expecting someone and

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especially me i just needed to study for

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my midterm so suddenly the doorbell is

435
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just going crazy and i'm sitting there

436
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and i waited a good 10 minutes and it's

437
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just

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someone's finger is literally glued to

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it

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so i was just very annoyed and upset and

441
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finally i just went to the doorbell to

442
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the intercom box and i was like well who

443
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:03,200
is it and he said it's me ira and i

444
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i could just feel

445
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:06,000
my world

446
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:06,799
just

447
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trapped

448
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um

449
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,000
i re i still as i'm remembering it i

450
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:18,240
began to hyperventilate

451
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and my hands were shaking and i was

452
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:22,559
thinking to myself well my god how on

453
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:24,960
earth did he find me he didn't have my

454
00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:27,039
real name

455
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:29,360
he didn't know where i lived

456
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:32,080
how ha and it had been six months since

457
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i had last seen him

458
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on a professional level i had only seen

459
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:39,600
him three times at on a professional

460
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level

461
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i never you know and i i i never let him

462
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:47,120
on i i had gotten marriage proposals

463
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,080
from very famous people during this time

464
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:52,400
i was not interested in marrying any of

465
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the people i had met in that world

466
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um

467
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and so

468
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,080
i i did ask him i i said well how did

469
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:02,160
you find me how did you find me and

470
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,160
that's when he told me over the intercom

471
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that he had paid dave uh who had done

472
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:08,720
favors for him and he had given money to

473
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:12,480
the police um you know they have these

474
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:15,039
fundraisers and he that he always gives

475
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,039
money to them and that he helps him from

476
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,360
time to time and that

477
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dave found me for him

478
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and i said go away you know i have a

479
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:25,840
boyfriend go away you know i don't want

480
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to have anything to do with you

481
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um and you know and he had already told

482
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,080
me he's a billionaire during the time i

483
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met him that meant nothing to me i don't

484
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care

485
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,840
never heard about your father oh well

486
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he's married to piazza dora i really

487
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don't care i think she's stupid you know

488
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:48,480
i would just like i don't really care oh

489
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go on don't go let me give you uh some

490
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jewelry from harry winston no i don't

491
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wear jewelry thank you oh let me give

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00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,720
you a a trip on

493
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carnival i own carnival with the

494
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harrisons i own carnival cruise lines

495
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:06,640
let me give you no i'm not interested

496
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:07,679
and so

497
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um that day to get him to go away

498
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um he said just give me your phone

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number and naively

500
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you know it took some time to figure out

501
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that he already had my phone number

502
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obviously

503
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so naively i thought okay if i give him

504
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my phone number he will go away

505
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:28,880
well i gave him my phone number

506
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and

507
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in literally like there was a phone

508
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booth on the corner in those days there

509
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,240
were phone booths on the corner and my

510
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,400
phone rang i thought it was my boyfriend

511
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i picked it up so that i could tell him

512
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to come home

513
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and it was him it was ira and i i he

514
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said listen i will go away

515
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only if you promised to meet me

516
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at the plaza hotel

517
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uh

518
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and and i said i was just like i just

519
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didn't understand what to do so

520
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,000
again

521
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and i told him i can't because i have i

522
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have i have midterms tomorrow i can't

523
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,840
and i gave him every excuse but he was

524
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insistent and i really am very

525
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,919
conscientious i needed to get back to

526
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,200
studying

527
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:15,520
uh for my midterms

528
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,080
i said okay okay okay so i agreed to

529
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:21,280
meet him i was working on 50

530
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,840
uh i believe it was a block away from

531
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the plaza hotel

532
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,480
he had an office in trump uh in trump

533
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tower with his father

534
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,919
um which was like a block away from

535
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,679
the plaza

536
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:37,919
as i'm walking across the street i see

537
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him he he grins broadly

538
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,200
and i walk across the street and it's

539
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,840
like he he looks at me as though i'm a

540
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,159
long lost lover and i look at him as

541
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,480
though like you know what am i doing

542
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,919
here so

543
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:54,400
he hugs me as if we know each other in

544
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,760
real life and

545
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,480
he leads me into the oak room

546
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:01,440
at the plaza now typically

547
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:04,320
these places like the oak room

548
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,679
are are full it was completely empty

549
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,000
even at lunchtime there's there was an

550
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area where people would have lunch and

551
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,360
mingle

552
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,840
there was no one there no one there on

553
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,360
the thursday

554
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i i believe it was 12 or 1.

555
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,520
and we sat down in this empty room i was

556
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seated to his

557
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,360
left and then out of nowhere two men

558
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,960
and like i just said the place was

559
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:32,640
completely empty

560
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,039
two men entered the

561
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:38,640
the oak room area where we were s eating

562
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citizens sitting and they sat

563
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,320
to his if i'm to his left they sat to

564
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:46,960
his right and i immediately remember

565
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,520
thinking now why are these two men

566
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,600
sitting right next to us

567
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,520
when they could have any

568
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,080
space in the room i it did not dawn on

569
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:58,080
me they could be body guards they could

570
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,039
be

571
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,799
whatever i didn't know

572
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:03,200
to think anything other than it was just

573
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,039
a very peculiar thing he turns around

574
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,000
and he says to me i want to see you

575
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,640
exclusively

576
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:14,640
so i looked at him

577
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,600
and i said i am not the girl

578
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,640
that you met the girl that you met and i

579
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:22,559
are two different people

580
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,400
i got up and i walked out of the plaza

581
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,280
and i thought i was done but he he just

582
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,159
he had people follow me it went on for a

583
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,240
long time my boyfriend and i ended up

584
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:35,520
fighting

585
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,799
because he was not protecting me i felt

586
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,120
and and uh this man

587
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,360
wormed his way into my life does that

588
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,679
make sense jim

589
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,000
yeah so and then ultimately though but

590
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,400
again when people hear sex slave

591
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,919
you know and and they hear about a woman

592
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,159
in her 20s i think they wonder okay what

593
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,679
does she really mean by

594
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,600
sex life i mean she's

595
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,919
how is she his slave how is she not able

596
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:01,120
to

597
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:05,840
what i have discovered because during

598
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,320
the course of all these years you know i

599
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,799
i was able in 1993

600
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,120
to leave him

601
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,799
but um

602
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,600
what i discovered what because i i was

603
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,000
just getting harassed and harassed and

604
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,000
interfered with and like i said you know

605
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,159
there have been attempts on my life

606
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,000
and i just needed

607
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,960
to move on um i i just

608
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,360
wasn't able to ever he you know i'm

609
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:33,600
still harassed present day

610
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,320
so i've gone to

611
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,720
very good attorneys throughout all of

612
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,000
these years

613
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,799
and before the epstein case when i would

614
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:44,880
say and i would use the word sex slave

615
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,000
it's online since 2008.

616
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:49,760
um i would use that because that's

617
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:52,720
exactly how i felt i was

618
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,559
i thought i was one in a million because

619
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,240
that is what the attorneys would tell me

620
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,640
they would say to me you are in the

621
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,200
rarest of the one percent

622
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,400
of of cases it is so extreme

623
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,200
no other woman has stepped forward to to

624
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,400
um

625
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,279
make these allegations against him

626
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,799
well i've never heard of anything like

627
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:16,880
this well when we've heard about the

628
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,840
jeffrey epstein case the word sex slave

629
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,240
is now the same thing that

630
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,440
uh date rape when i was date raped we

631
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,039
didn't have that word

632
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,480
and i discovered that i was not among

633
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,520
the one percentile the rarest of the

634
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:35,679
cases but but in fact that there are

635
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,480
thousands of women like me another woman

636
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,600
like me

637
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,400
is

638
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:42,400
gusel

639
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,520
who is

640
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,400
leon black's sex slave leon black is

641
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,200
michelle michelle and rickless um uh

642
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:51,760
proto-j through michael milken

643
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,480
uh but he's also one of ira rickless

644
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:56,799
best friends this is a very tight-knit

645
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,000
world these married men

646
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,120
they're not affairs they're sex slaves

647
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,200
and and and this is important especially

648
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,520
now we brought in leon blackenson

649
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,120
you just need to be very clear with me

650
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,600
please on what do you mean by a sex

651
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:12,960
slave

652
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,120
somebody who's got free will and can go

653
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,120
do whatever they want no you don't have

654
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,559
free will because your mind is

655
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,320
completely messed up

656
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,200
meaning that someone has

657
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,640
he

658
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:27,679
what

659
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,110
initially raped

660
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,120
then trafficked and and i and i do want

661
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,440
to get to the conchita interview and and

662
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,000
what she said about virginia duffrey

663
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,240
because i think

664
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:44,720
while there's a lot of understanding

665
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,720
amongst women who have been raped

666
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,200
and women who have been coerced into

667
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,880
relationships i mean there are a lot of

668
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,960
women who are married to men they do not

669
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:56,320
love

670
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:57,279
right

671
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,159
i don't know that's that's a good

672
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:03,679
question that's something that i i

673
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,120
probably will study um do you allege

674
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:10,000
that ira raped you or no

675
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,520
yes i do

676
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,960
and in what

677
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:14,400
way did he

678
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,669
if you are if you are coerced or tricked

679
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,480
you're an attorney if you are coerced or

680
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:25,840
tricked

681
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:30,640
into um having sex with someone

682
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,269
you're not doing it out of your own free

683
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,640
will

684
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,399
and so

685
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,360
my self-esteem had just vanished i

686
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:45,520
literally did not know what i looked

687
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,480
like

688
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,640
unless i was standing in front of a

689
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,600
mirror

690
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,520
i disappeared

691
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,080
i had long

692
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:57,120
long lost my family when i was

693
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,399
trafficked

694
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,200
long lost my family long lost contact

695
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:03,919
with my friends i had nothing in common

696
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,840
with anyone who had been in my life

697
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,399
to that point i did not know how to

698
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,960
behave normal i didn't know what kind of

699
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,080
clothing to wear i didn't know who i was

700
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:19,279
anymore and then in comes a person who

701
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,399
makes my world disappear again

702
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,200
my boyfriend is gone because of him i'm

703
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,600
being followed by all kinds of paid

704
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:30,559
people where wherever i go he shows up

705
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,760
on his bike to chat me up i think this

706
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:35,919
is just a coincidence

707
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,880
he does it many times over and over and

708
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,640
over again

709
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,840
so i

710
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,600
the day that i broke up with my

711
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:44,880
boyfriend

712
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,559
ira would show up and buzz buzz at seven

713
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:52,080
o'clock in the morning and i would tell

714
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,679
my boyfriend tell him to leave me alone

715
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:58,000
you know man up you're supposed to

716
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,520
protect me

717
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:01,679
and my boyfriend turned around because

718
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,470
why don't you introduce me to him

719
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,200
perhaps he can become my client

720
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,880
at that point

721
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,559
i was

722
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,399
you know having been

723
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,159
um

724
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,960
when you think someone is there in your

725
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,520
corner and you find out oh wait a minute

726
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,799
this guy

727
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:27,279
is willing to accept that this other man

728
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,640
is annoying me and harassing me

729
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,120
but he's willing to do business with him

730
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,240
so i broke up with my boyfriend i end up

731
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,159
on my bike which is what i would do

732
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,799
every morning i would bite

733
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,279
and then there he was that and and but

734
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:46,240
he had been there many days before and

735
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:49,919
so that day i was crying and and he

736
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:52,159
i don't remember if i fell off my bike

737
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:52,880
or

738
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,919
and stopped it but i i ended up standing

739
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,559
and he came around and he put his arms

740
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:02,960
around me and he said oh i'm gonna make

741
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,080
everything okay don't worry so i don't

742
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:08,399
you know

743
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,919
he played chess pieces perfectly well

744
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,760
for me to end up in

745
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,000
his life

746
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:18,880
and was he ever paying you for sex

747
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:22,880
no i no i i i i i ended up being very

748
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,029
he he you know he would say things like

749
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,360
you can leave at any time

750
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:35,039
or

751
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,039
if you ever want to leave

752
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,720
i'll make sure you never have to work

753
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,960
again a day in your life he will he

754
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,760
would make these statements and i but

755
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,440
you know

756
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,919
it was not a relationship that i enjoyed

757
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:54,159
he would call me 20 times a day i would

758
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,880
be

759
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,559
very um

760
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,480
to this day i i

761
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:01,440
don't answer my phone like it became

762
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,360
kind of like i just became very very um

763
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,360
concerned about the phone ringing you

764
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,440
know because it was i just felt like a

765
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,840
trapped animal if he called and said

766
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,720
okay well i have to go to washington you

767
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,960
have to get on this plane

768
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,440
you know i'm sending you the cash you

769
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,039
buy the ticket yeah that's not a

770
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:23,279
relationship

771
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,440
and how were you able to finally break

772
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:29,360
yourself from him

773
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,760
well someone tried to kill me and i i

774
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,000
entered my home um

775
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,039
through my bedroom window i was i was i

776
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,200
called the police twice as the man and

777
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,840
he was someone who had been uh placed

778
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,279
into my life

779
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:47,919
at this time i had already

780
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,799
he had done some carpentry work in in my

781
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,840
home

782
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,919
i did not know that he had been placed

783
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:55,919
into my life

784
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:01,350
before any for any

785
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:04,640
for any nefarious reason i just

786
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,279
at that point i did not know

787
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,279
that there were fake people in my life i

788
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,039
didn't know what that meant and it i

789
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,640
would take some time before i realized

790
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,200
later um that this person was fake you

791
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,279
know that later on maybe my travel agent

792
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,080
was fake that there were these various

793
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,640
people that i met in various ways that

794
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:26,960
were not necessarily people that i met

795
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,240
in an organic way that were real

796
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,880
however the police did not i called the

797
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:34,720
police twice

798
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,640
and this is the same thing that happened

799
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:38,960
to marie our farmer which is another

800
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,760
thing that would caught my interest

801
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,640
significantly when maria former was in

802
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,760
ohio on leslie wexner's estate

803
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,480
and she although she was not raped she

804
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:53,840
was assaulted by jeffrey epstein and

805
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,120
glenn maxwell and she called the

806
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,159
sheriff's office not once but twice like

807
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:01,760
i had called the new york police

808
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,399
department not once but twice

809
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,399
and they told her they were not going to

810
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,360
help her the new york police department

811
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,760
told me they were not coming to help me

812
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,240
i couldn't figure it out i i was just

813
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,799
stunned but he held me in my apartment

814
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,039
for five days knife point

815
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:22,000
and i had um i i told him hey i have to

816
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,679
be somewhere

817
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:26,000
and if i don't show up the police are

818
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:27,519
going to show up and he says i'll give

819
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:30,880
you 30 minutes and so i met i i i

820
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,760
i went and i called ira thinking you

821
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,000
know he's he's on my side

822
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,960
and um ira

823
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,159
gave me

824
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,880
a thousand dollars in cash

825
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,120
he told me

826
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,279
to take something that you know i had a

827
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:49,840
certain a credit card hidden somewhere

828
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,799
uh that he had had me get

829
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,120
to take my credit card that he had had

830
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,679
me get and put somewhere and to get on

831
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,480
an airplane but not to tell him

832
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,360
or anyone where i would be going now i

833
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,519
don't know about you but a ticket

834
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,399
anywhere

835
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,919
and he told me get on two different

836
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,960
flights

837
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,879
but do not go where you have friends and

838
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,280
do not tell me where you're going

839
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,760
well guess what that thousand dollars

840
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,320
was going to last for for one a one-way

841
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,520
ticket to death because if i the minute

842
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,679
i used that credit card he was going to

843
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,520
find me again

844
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,679
and i would have been dead so what i did

845
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,679
i just instinctively did not feel

846
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,040
comfortable

847
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,040
um

848
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:35,760
doing what he said it just felt wrong so

849
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:39,440
i have three best friends in los angeles

850
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,359
and i went to i i forget which airport

851
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,839
and i gotta i called my one of my best

852
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,359
friends

853
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:48,960
and i said hey

854
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,839
i i'm coming to la

855
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:54,320
meet me at 5 30 that's when the plane

856
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,359
lands

857
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:56,399
and

858
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,800
moment on i stayed in los angeles

859
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,280
because i felt uncomfortable coming back

860
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,440
he would go to los angeles to visit me i

861
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,000
would come to new york during that time

862
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,320
that i was apart and i had some space to

863
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,440
breathe

864
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,640
and get to

865
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,599
reacquaint it with who i was and and not

866
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,079
have to be afraid that someone he was

867
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:20,000
standing up on the other side of the

868
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,760
door or that

869
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,280
my phone would ring and i would be

870
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:26,160
summoned to to to go somewhere or to do

871
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:27,760
something

872
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:30,560
i i found the courage to say hey you

873
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,920
know what i'm gonna say bye to him so i

874
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,480
i did just that and um

875
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,240
and i walked and i and i left with a

876
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,240
hundred dollars in my pocket i had

877
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:42,640
nothing and so what is the connection if

878
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,589
his father michelle rickless and robert

879
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:54,800
maxwell were both um in the british um

880
00:36:03,910 --> 00:35:59,200
in in world war ii in the british army

881
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,069
robert maxwell was then

882
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,790
working for mi6

883
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,200
and michelin rickless was also actually

884
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,200
working for mi6 but

885
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:17,599
they both had a common goal and that was

886
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,119
israel um michelin rickless was

887
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,359
with the help of the cia which was at

888
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:24,720
that time

889
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,160
called something else the oss

890
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,359
um the oss and what what they had done

891
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,200
during um

892
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,240
world war ii if you recall

893
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:38,800
there was operation paperclip

894
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,520
and so operation paperclip

895
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:43,680
was a covert operation on the part of

896
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,480
the

897
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,079
cia

898
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:48,640
where they um

899
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,520
sort of brought into the united states

900
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:53,920
israel did it to the united kingdom did

901
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,560
it too they say it was approximately

902
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,160
1600

903
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,800
german scientists i happen to think that

904
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,440
number is is small

905
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,119
who were

906
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,280
involved in the state-sponsored

907
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,960
holocaust um

908
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,000
that

909
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:12,560
and and the murder of six million jewish

910
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,000
men women and children and but they took

911
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,640
these um not just the scientists but the

912
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,119
spies so michelle and rickless was

913
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:24,000
brought into the united states he was

914
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:25,760
he was

915
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,359
put into ohio state university under the

916
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:31,920
guise of being a professor

917
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,280
and ohio state university happens to be

918
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,920
leslie wexner's of school that's where

919
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,480
he went to school as well the

920
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,760
wexner

921
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,079
and ricklist become

922
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:45,520
wealthy beyond

923
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,640
any measure they become billionaires

924
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,320
and that and you know when you start

925
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,000
piecing it together

926
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:54,000
as far as there's an intelligence

927
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,200
connection

928
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,040
that's one of the clues these people

929
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,079
become uber wealthy

930
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:01,920
because they're they're they're part of

931
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,599
the the world of intelligence

932
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,359
and and ultimately

933
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,680
you're convinced that epstein was

934
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:11,599
definitely part of

935
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:15,680
intelligence and and that was mossad

936
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,200
so what what most people do not

937
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,560
know even though it's skimmed over in

938
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,480
the documentary

939
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:26,079
filthy rich

940
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:27,520
there's a scene

941
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:30,960
with john connolly who co-wrote

942
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,160
filthy rich with a james patterson

943
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:35,760
there's a scene

944
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:39,359
where jeffrey epstein is landing

945
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,320
in

946
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,720
i believe it's it's palm beach or miami

947
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,480
but he's landing

948
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,240
out of a plane and he's getting into the

949
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,920
car with one of his attorneys it could

950
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,520
be ken starr

951
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:50,640
well

952
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:53,680
he he had just come back from israel

953
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,640
um so in my book galen maxwell an

954
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,040
unauthorized biography and i believe

955
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,200
perhaps it might be in jeffrey epstein

956
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,160
predator spy the third edition

957
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,440
i i go into the details of that and the

958
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,440
details of that

959
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:11,040
are the following

960
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,310
jeffrey epstein enters into a

961
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,240
non-prosecution agreement

962
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:23,359
with alex acosta who throws away the

963
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,599
53-page indictment against him

964
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,960
he he

965
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,440
for some reason is unknown to everyone

966
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,440
other than i guess

967
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,520
because he has these intelligence

968
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:37,839
connections very strong connections

969
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,119
usually your passport is removed

970
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,720
you're an attorney so you would know

971
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:45,040
your passport is removed when you're

972
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,720
charged with a crime

973
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,720
well his passport apparently was not

974
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:50,480
removed because

975
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:53,920
in 2008 two things happened

976
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:58,640
george w bush invites leslie wexner

977
00:40:04,150 --> 00:39:59,599
to

978
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,160
celebrate israel's 60th anniversary

979
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,200
when does that happen that happens in

980
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,480
may of 2008.

981
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:12,560
the last week of may

982
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:15,520
jeffrey epstein gets on his plane and he

983
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,150
an article comes out

984
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:23,839
and i have it in my book and i'm going

985
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,880
to just pull up a pdf file of my book so

986
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,119
that i could read you what the

987
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:30,960
article said

988
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,599
because this you know

989
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:35,280
the clues are there it's just that

990
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:39,280
mainstream media is not um so so let me

991
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,870
and this is a trip

992
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:47,040
he takes this trip to israel while he

993
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,839
he's

994
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,680
there's pending charges against him in

995
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,079
florida

996
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,720
yeah i mean he hasn't um he hasn't

997
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:57,040
turned himself in

998
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:00,800
so that um let me just so okay so here

999
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,030
can i just read an ex an excerpt of this

1000
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,599
to you for you yeah okay so

1001
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,359
it's in the book a jeffrey i've seen

1002
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:15,119
predator spy

1003
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,079
and so

1004
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,040
it starts this segment starts president

1005
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,920
george w bush appointed leslie wexner to

1006
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,560
serve in the honorary delegation where

1007
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,119
he accompanied him to jerusalem for the

1008
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,520
60th anniversary anniversary of the

1009
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,560
state of israel in may 2008.

1010
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,480
jeffrey epstein had already been

1011
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,040
investigated for sex crimes against

1012
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,440
minor girls in palm beach when wexner

1013
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,240
flew to israel he had been offered a

1014
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,880
non-prosecution agreement by united

1015
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:46,800
states attorney for the state of florida

1016
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,240
in 2007 which he signed in exchange for

1017
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,640
a lesser sentence for normal people

1018
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,359
charged with any crime their passports

1019
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,440
are immediately taken from them

1020
00:42:03,910 --> 00:41:59,440
epstein's case was handled differently

1021
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:03,920
in every aspect in late may 2008 epstein

1022
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:07,599
boarded his plane and flew to israel it

1023
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,480
is now claimed his plan was to stay

1024
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,520
there and avoid spending a day in jail

1025
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,079
the palm beach daily newspaper printed a

1026
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,599
story about his trip to israel it read

1027
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:22,240
beleaguered billionaire jeffrey epstein

1028
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,839
at the tel aviv hilton in israel where a

1029
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,079
spokesperson says he was spending

1030
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,359
passover meeting with israeli research

1031
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:34,079
scientists and taking a tour of military

1032
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,280
bases

1033
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,400
no massages and that's the end of the um

1034
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:41,280
the newspaper clipping to this author it

1035
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:44,720
is plausible that jeffrey epstein leslie

1036
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:48,880
wexner george w bush and prime minister

1037
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,240
olmert sat down and decided

1038
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:54,880
that if epstein stayed in israel at the

1039
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,000
same time was their 60th anniversary it

1040
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:00,640
would not be in israel's best interest

1041
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,760
on june 8th 2008

1042
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,680
jeffrey epstein's plane landed in

1043
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,640
florida reporter john connolly and the

1044
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:11,119
local palm beach news station filmed his

1045
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,440
arrival several weeks later on june 30th

1046
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,640
epstein pleaded guilty to one count of

1047
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,520
solicitation of prostitution plus one

1048
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:23,839
charge of solicitation of a minor

1049
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,240
although leslie wexner alleges he had

1050
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,040
ties to epstein after his indictment a

1051
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:32,160
study of a lawsuit filed by ava cordero

1052
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:36,160
against epstein and wexner on october 16

1053
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,280
2007 27

1054
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:41,359
2007 as well as the details surrounding

1055
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,240
that case show otherwise and then i just

1056
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,400
end it with i just i discussed this in a

1057
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,520
separate chapter in the book

1058
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:51,839
were you aware that epstein had gone to

1059
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:52,839
israel

1060
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,000
no no i remember that coming yeah i

1061
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,000
don't i don't remember that uh coming

1062
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,680
out in any of our uh interviews

1063
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,680
yeah i know he had made a run for it i

1064
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,079
mean so where where else would a massage

1065
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:07,520
buy go

1066
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:08,800
right

1067
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,160
and i know that it's your view that he

1068
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:14,720
got the light sentence that acosta was

1069
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:17,680
informed that he's to go light on him

1070
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:20,800
because he is working for

1071
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,160
mossad or cia they said they said

1072
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:26,640
alexander acosta's words were

1073
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,240
i was told to back off that he

1074
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,319
referring to epstein belonged to

1075
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,000
intelligence

1076
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:35,920
yeah and where is that where is that

1077
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:38,960
quote from because that does ring

1078
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,920
when uh when alexander acosta was being

1079
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,119
um

1080
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,680
going through the process you know uh

1081
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,040
donald trump

1082
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,200
selected him as the i think it was the

1083
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,880
77th

1084
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,720
the secretary of labor

1085
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,560
in 2017

1086
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,000
when he was going through the

1087
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,040
confirmation process and questioning uh

1088
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:00,640
that's the question that was posed to

1089
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,950
okay so um

1090
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,040
we understand now you're you're linked

1091
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,800
to them all in and that you've now been

1092
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,359
investigating this for a number of years

1093
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,119
and and written a couple of books so

1094
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,960
let's go into some of the details that

1095
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,800
that are new that you've discovered such

1096
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,720
as the the trip to israel that that have

1097
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,839
not been

1098
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:23,760
reported before

1099
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,800
right and i also want to say that um

1100
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,040
so for example

1101
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,400
no one has talked about the fact that

1102
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:34,480
there is a woman and i'm going to name

1103
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,079
her because she has now written a book

1104
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:40,400
that alan dershowitz has

1105
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:43,520
he claims anyone who tells the truth he

1106
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,599
claims is a liar well i'm saying that

1107
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,160
alan dershowitz is the one who is lying

1108
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,079
as well as conchita

1109
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,640
sarnoff who's currently going to marry a

1110
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,280
guy from the cia uh

1111
00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:59,119
sarnoff

1112
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:02,240
was born to someone who worked for

1113
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,119
the

1114
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:04,800
cia

1115
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,160
been

1116
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,480
a person of interest to those of us

1117
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:14,880
studying this case for a while

1118
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:15,760
um

1119
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,560
i i believe she's

1120
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,040
what they call um

1121
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:22,800
is someone who's sort of placed in

1122
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:25,520
position to suppress information and

1123
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:28,960
steer the conversation in a certain way

1124
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,560
i just listened to your podcast with her

1125
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,359
and she contradicts herself in so many

1126
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:37,599
different ways i just want to just

1127
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,800
quickly say that i when i was trying to

1128
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:42,800
find conchitas

1129
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,400
for a friend who has a podcast and we

1130
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,359
wanted her to be a guest well there was

1131
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:51,680
the her website was gone

1132
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:55,760
there was no no phone anywhere uh that

1133
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,280
led anywhere uh she was like literally

1134
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,280
missing and so i thought well this is

1135
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,440
very peculiar because

1136
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:05,520
she has written a book

1137
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:08,319
uh about jeffrey epstein as she has

1138
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,079
claimed that she is a

1139
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,240
how shall we say a

1140
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,960
an expert that she has given herself so

1141
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,480
much credit

1142
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,680
for

1143
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,240
the jeffrey epstein case so what is

1144
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:24,640
going on here well the first thing i

1145
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,280
discovered was that um and she had made

1146
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,200
these claims that no one would touch her

1147
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,160
book but she never said that the person

1148
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:34,160
who actually did

1149
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:38,480
um publish her book is victor ostrovsky

1150
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:42,400
victor ostrowski is a mossad agent

1151
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:45,760
are you familiar with that name no

1152
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:48,880
he's a he's an assad agent so there's a

1153
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,760
let me find let me find that um because

1154
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,359
that's also

1155
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,680
i have a whole chapter in galen maxwell

1156
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,280
an unauthorized biography on conchita

1157
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,839
because i found her whole

1158
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,880
everything i found about her just rang

1159
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:06,400
uh untrue

1160
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,240
and and so when i i'm doggy with a bone

1161
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:12,960
and i decided okay

1162
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,000
let me see who you are so basically as i

1163
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,839
said i was doing some basic research

1164
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,839
trying to connect with her because i

1165
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,079
wanted her to appear on shawn atwood's

1166
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:23,599
uh podcast

1167
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,559
and um she had had a couple of articles

1168
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,559
published in the daily beast although

1169
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:30,160
the daily beast

1170
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,599
is owned by um

1171
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,079
someone who sat on glenn maxwell's

1172
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,559
terramar board and that someone would be

1173
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,160
barry diller

1174
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,880
um i thought okay well there's something

1175
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:44,960
wrong there already but she had no

1176
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,480
twitter no instagram no facebook her

1177
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,200
information on her linkedin page to her

1178
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,920
non-profit that she talks about in

1179
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,480
glowing terms on your show

1180
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,520
um

1181
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,200
went nowhere

1182
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:00,960
alliance to rescue victims of

1183
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,680
trafficking does not exist

1184
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:05,920
and basically when i tried to go to that

1185
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:09,200
website it all only had a coming soon

1186
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,400
page

1187
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:11,920
and so it was like

1188
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:14,839
the emails that i sent to her for that

1189
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,480
non-profit came back as undeliverable so

1190
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,000
i thought okay

1191
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,319
what what is going on i mean did was she

1192
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,480
perhaps threatened did she go

1193
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,559
underground to avoid being killed you

1194
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,000
know i know i

1195
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:30,000
was trying somebody tried to kill me so

1196
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,680
i was giving her the benefit of the

1197
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,160
doubt but i i just

1198
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,559
tried to just keep going and i listened

1199
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,880
to a couple of the interviews that she

1200
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,839
gave

1201
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,240
not the one that i just heard with you

1202
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,160
but the ones that she had given in the

1203
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,800
past and she just said that

1204
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,200
the the story of jeffrey epstein and

1205
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,760
these victims made her obsessed with the

1206
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,760
epstein case and that it changed the

1207
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:55,839
trajectory of her life and it made her

1208
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,319
want to help traffic children and you

1209
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,800
know and she went on and on well

1210
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:03,760
anyone who knows anything about

1211
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,640
either a child being trafficked

1212
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:09,119
or a woman like myself having been

1213
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,119
trafficked and what that does to to our

1214
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,520
inability to rescue ourselves you know a

1215
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,200
lot of these

1216
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,920
people like me we don't survive in this

1217
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,640
instance i am the rarest of the rare

1218
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,880
because we're either murdered

1219
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,040
or you become a drug addict and and you

1220
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,839
die of an overdose or you know

1221
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,760
something horrible happens to you you

1222
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,400
don't end up writing books and

1223
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,280
functioning and being able to piece

1224
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,440
together not just the pieces of your

1225
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:41,280
life but the pieces of other people's

1226
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,800
life and so i did not understand how she

1227
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,200
did not know that mentality especially

1228
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:49,440
since she was calling herself

1229
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:50,400
a

1230
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,280
uh

1231
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,920
the owner the the head of a non-profit

1232
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:55,920
and that her goal was to help traffic

1233
00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:58,800
children and i heard her um say

1234
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,319
derogatory things about virginia dufrese

1235
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,200
and and say glowing things about alan

1236
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,880
dershowitz

1237
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,960
and you know jim i'm going to be very

1238
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:10,960
clear with you and and very straight

1239
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,280
with you and i hope you don't cut out a

1240
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,119
lot of the stuff i'm going to say but

1241
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:16,800
i've been researching all these

1242
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,240
characters for close to 20 years now

1243
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,040
for my own safety and i've always

1244
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:24,800
thought that alan dershowitz if you

1245
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,160
remember the godfather and al pacino and

1246
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,200
all of do you remember that movie

1247
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,200
so like it's always been

1248
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,079
my feeling with alan jersus that he's

1249
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,800
like mossad's conciliary you know he's

1250
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:40,880
the massage attorney

1251
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,040
and and um i stumbled upon a book

1252
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,720
every now and then

1253
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,599
intelligence agencies everywhere the cia

1254
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,559
does it with movies like with that

1255
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,440
movie that they called um argo

1256
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,800
you know every now and then they will

1257
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,920
commission

1258
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,800
a movie or a book

1259
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,559
to sort of you know

1260
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,400
pat themselves on the back

1261
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,480
and so there was a book actually

1262
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:08,720
commissioned by the mossad

1263
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,599
that i found i forget how long ago when

1264
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:13,440
they have it somewhere

1265
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,839
and and it had um

1266
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:18,480
three

1267
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,240
reviews on the let's say cover to kind

1268
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,630
i don't know to give it a boost or

1269
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,119
whatever one of them was from the then

1270
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:31,760
current cia the head of the cia whose

1271
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,040
name i do not remember presently

1272
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:36,720
but the other one was from alan

1273
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,319
jersowitz um talking about the mossad in

1274
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,480
in in these gloaming terms and it

1275
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,880
confirmed my suspicion and and the way

1276
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,559
that i heard conchita

1277
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:48,960
say that oh well she thought it was very

1278
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,480
unusual and odd that alan dershowitz

1279
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:54,960
this wonderful man who she flew to

1280
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:57,839
florida to meet with his wife would be

1281
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,960
accused by virginia defray

1282
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,680
of

1283
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:02,800
having

1284
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,880
raped her now it's called rape because

1285
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:08,960
even if she were not a minor which she

1286
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:12,000
was she was a trafficked person

1287
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:13,599
when you have sex with a trafficked

1288
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,800
person of any age it is considered rape

1289
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,480
it's coercion

1290
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,160
um so that she

1291
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:22,240
this

1292
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,359
expert

1293
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:26,079
would sit down with a man

1294
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,599
with his wife and take his word for it

1295
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,839
it's just so incredulous to me i have

1296
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,559
been with married men who go home to

1297
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,480
their wives

1298
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,559
and and and

1299
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,839
do you think that they're going to

1300
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:42,240
actually come out and say yes i have had

1301
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,400
sex with a girl who was 16 or 17

1302
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,280
i have had sex with somebody i paid

1303
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,680
no they're not never going to admit that

1304
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:53,839
and um so that

1305
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,280
if she is actually working i and i which

1306
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,440
i believe is just a front for her with

1307
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,359
trafficked victims

1308
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:04,480
she would know that someone

1309
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,599
like alan dershowitz who is basically a

1310
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:09,440
a gatekeeper

1311
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,920
the cia

1312
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:16,400
i see alan dershowitz playing the same

1313
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,760
role

1314
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,440
for the mossad

1315
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:21,920
he is a gatekeeper he is not going to

1316
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,800
sit there and allow anyone to say that

1317
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,160
he

1318
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,720
had sex with a trafficked child

1319
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,760
but i believe virginia defray

1320
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,599
and for her not

1321
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,480
to say of virginia's parents

1322
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,119
anything derogatory well virginia didn't

1323
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,200
really have parents the way that let's

1324
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:43,440
say you have parents or the way that she

1325
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:44,799
had parents

1326
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,079
um virginia was molested

1327
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:50,079
sexually molested when she was seven

1328
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:51,440
years old

1329
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,720
she became strange estranged from her

1330
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,640
mother and her father she didn't have a

1331
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,200
normal relationship that completely

1332
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,160
fragmented this young child's life

1333
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,520
seven-year-old child sexually molested

1334
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:07,680
and then at the age of

1335
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,799
i believe it was already 11 or 12 she

1336
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:13,520
was put into these um

1337
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,400
you know

1338
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:17,200
homes for troubled children that were

1339
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,799
like jails for children at the age of 13

1340
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,640
she runs away

1341
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:24,640
from the this place

1342
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,799
she's sitting on she has no food no no

1343
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,640
she's hungry she's she's trying to

1344
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,880
figure out where she's going to sleep

1345
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,400
and her

1346
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,680
her own a diary can is part of the

1347
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,040
exhibit which can anybody can read her

1348
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:43,280
diary is part of the exhibit of the

1349
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,480
lawsuit that she filed against glenn

1350
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,000
maxwell

1351
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,400
who jeffrey epstein himself said of the

1352
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:53,280
lawsuit that galen attempted to file

1353
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:56,799
against virginia that for that gulen was

1354
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,440
stupid to take on virginia duffrey and

1355
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,640
as it turns out she was because she

1356
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:05,440
ended up having to sell her home

1357
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:08,640
15 million dollar townhouse in new york

1358
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,520
city

1359
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,760
when she decided she was not going to

1360
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,599
participate anymore because there was

1361
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,599
too much information coming out during

1362
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:17,599
that lawsuit and

1363
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:20,079
elaine sued virginia

1364
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:22,799
glenn maxwell sued virginia for

1365
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:25,599
for defamation virginia turned around

1366
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,040
and sued her and and dershowitz also

1367
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,040
sued for defamation didn't he

1368
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,440
and she has turned around and sued him

1369
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:35,920
right that case is still ongoing right

1370
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,040
correct yes and what about the um case

1371
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,760
with galen is that case ongoing

1372
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,400
no uh galen maxwell uh

1373
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,480
settled that case out of court very

1374
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,720
quickly and she paid a lot of money to

1375
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,880
settle that case so that

1376
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:52,240
everything could be

1377
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,680
um

1378
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,319
just you know quieted down she at that

1379
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,040
point she still tried to have the media

1380
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:01,440
come to her aid there were stories

1381
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,559
everywhere

1382
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,480
calling virginia

1383
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,680
a prostitute which is what conchita

1384
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,880
alleges

1385
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,440
that this child was

1386
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,520
virginia was a child and even if she had

1387
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:15,520
been 27 she was still a trafficked

1388
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,480
person

1389
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:18,880
so for for anyone so to tie off on

1390
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,720
conchita what is your belief as to

1391
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:24,960
why conchita is

1392
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,760
you know defending dershowitz and and

1393
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:29,839
on the whole epstein matter

1394
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,599
well i noticed that conchita is okay um

1395
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,520
with

1396
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,400
talking about perhaps clinton except

1397
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,480
that her connection to the daily beast

1398
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:41,920
makes me doubt

1399
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,319
how far she's willing to go with this i

1400
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:46,240
believe that she is a disinformation

1401
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,720
agent uh she is now going to marry a cia

1402
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,440
intelligence officer

1403
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,839
i i think that

1404
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:57,920
like her non-profit

1405
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:00,319
the attorney for her non-profit is a man

1406
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,079
by the name of tef w smith he works at

1407
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,400
kirkland and ellis and if that sounds

1408
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,799
familiar is because it's the same law

1409
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:11,040
firm that jeffrey epstein's attorneys

1410
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:14,559
come from so jay lefkowitz kenneth starr

1411
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:17,440
and even alexander acosta and and then

1412
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,960
let's take a step further william barr

1413
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,760
these guys are all from that law firm

1414
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:26,000
how is it that conchita

1415
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:26,799
has

1416
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:29,599
for her non-profit an attorney from this

1417
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:30,480
firm

1418
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,200
she's on their side she is uh someone

1419
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,240
who is put in place to say certain

1420
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:38,960
things that's what i believe

1421
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:41,920
okay let's go on to additional pieces of

1422
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,319
new information how about the one that

1423
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,160
you alluded to earlier which was

1424
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:47,839
pictures

1425
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,839
that exist of bill clinton hillary

1426
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:52,000
clinton etc

1427
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:00,870
i think you've heard of or she she was

1428
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:02,559
in

1429
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,760
the netflix documentary filthy rich her

1430
00:59:12,250 --> 00:59:10,240
name is sarah ransom

1431
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,260
um she was um

1432
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,079
[Music]

1433
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,319
sort of brought into this

1434
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:18,799
whole trafficking thing

1435
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:21,599
by glenn maxwell and uh she is actually

1436
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,640
the woman i think it's so

1437
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,319
this is something that will jar

1438
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,880
everyone's memory as to who she is but

1439
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:30,720
she is the woman who was on jeffrey

1440
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:33,920
epstein's island and after being raped

1441
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,200
three times

1442
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:37,440
she tried to she was going to jump into

1443
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:38,160
the

1444
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:40,960
shark-infested waters and tried to swim

1445
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,000
to safety um but she was found by

1446
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:46,559
jeffrey epstein because it was then

1447
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:49,599
discovered that there were cameras also

1448
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,640
on the island everywhere and so that he

1449
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:54,319
went and he found her and he brought her

1450
01:00:02,789 --> 00:59:57,920
back well sarah ransom

1451
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,799
during the 2016 presidential election

1452
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,319
contacted

1453
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:06,559
the new york up host

1454
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:10,240
contacted many many of mainstream media

1455
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:11,520
outlets

1456
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,760
she contacted the cia

1457
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:18,240
i'm sorry the fbi

1458
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,520
she contacted the fbi she she told them

1459
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,359
that she had information and she had

1460
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:24,880
photographs

1461
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,839
of the two presidential candidates

1462
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,240
namely hillary clinton

1463
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:32,000
and donald trump

1464
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,920
with minors and but she also added

1465
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:38,000
that she had photographs

1466
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:41,520
uh of bill clinton

1467
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:47,829
donald trump and there's one more person

1468
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,480
i'm trying to find his name

1469
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,319
um

1470
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,079
because

1471
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:56,400
his his name is sort of for reasons

1472
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,599
unknown to me left out of this

1473
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:01,280
just give me a minute i want to be able

1474
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:08,309
so while i'm looking for that name oh

1475
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,680
here here

1476
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,760
here it is

1477
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,440
okay so

1478
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,760
and richard branson

1479
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:17,520
so um

1480
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,760
no one believed her nobody gave her any

1481
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:21,359
air time

1482
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:22,400
uh

1483
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:25,520
she too sued jeffrey epstein and galen

1484
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:28,960
maxwell ellen dershowitz and she alleges

1485
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,920
that she too had to sleep with ellen

1486
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:33,200
dershowitz

1487
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,640
mr underwear wearing person

1488
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:37,680
okay

1489
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,040
well

1490
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:41,200
jeffrey epstein

1491
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,960
settled a lawsuit uh with her in 2017

1492
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:47,440
that she filed against him

1493
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:50,839
and galen maxwell

1494
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:53,920
now dershowitz came out screaming and

1495
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:55,839
fighting against her

1496
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,400
calling her crazy

1497
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,039
well now we know

1498
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,680
we have someone like virginia dufrey who

1499
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,440
has a photograph

1500
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,440
standing next to prince andrew with

1501
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,680
glenn maxwell

1502
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:11,680
standing in the same photograph we now

1503
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,359
know that it is no longer crazy

1504
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:17,680
when someone says

1505
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,319
oh my god i just slept with a prince or

1506
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:22,720
oh my god i just had to have sex with

1507
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,280
with a president you know we know that

1508
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,280
bill clinton

1509
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:29,359
when he was in arkansas

1510
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,240
had

1511
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,400
dan lasseter and if you're not familiar

1512
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,720
with dan lasseter i also have a chapter

1513
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:36,960
in glenn maxwell

1514
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:39,680
and my epstein jeffrey epstein predator

1515
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:42,799
spy book about bill clinton and dan

1516
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:45,760
lasseter in arkansas and dan lasseter

1517
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:48,079
was the pre jeffrey epstein he would go

1518
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:50,079
to the high schools he would pick up

1519
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:53,119
these kids and and him and bill clinton

1520
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,640
would would just

1521
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:55,920
have them

1522
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,319
take drugs and and have their way with

1523
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,000
them and and some of these girls were

1524
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:02,640
never ever seen again okay now brad

1525
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,760
edwards

1526
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,000
who is one of the attorneys has who has

1527
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:08,720
long worked very hard on

1528
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:09,839
and helped

1529
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,960
so many of the victims has said

1530
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:14,240
that

1531
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:21,920
trying to find 500

1532
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:24,319
additional girls just in the state of

1533
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,680
florida

1534
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:27,839
that were part of this

1535
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,799
trafficking and blackmail ring and then

1536
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,119
he could not locate them

1537
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:35,599
where are they the implication

1538
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,520
when i was told this by one of the

1539
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:40,000
victims who i will not name

1540
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:43,599
um is that these girls were murdered

1541
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,640
so that sarah ransom was called a liar

1542
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:48,720
by alan dershowitz but guess what if

1543
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,160
she's a liar why would jeffrey epstein

1544
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:54,000
settle that lawsuit

1545
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:55,440
where she's the one that has

1546
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:57,359
photographed now she's written a book it

1547
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,000
comes out i believe next month or so

1548
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:02,240
that's the only reason i'm naming her is

1549
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:03,680
because she has written about this

1550
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,880
herself so these pictures

1551
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,640
are they going to be in the book

1552
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:10,319
i don't know i don't know what's going

1553
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:12,079
to be in her book other than she has

1554
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:14,000
made it very clear that she tried to

1555
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,160
take that story to everyone and no one

1556
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,240
paid any attention to her and have you

1557
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:20,160
seen the pictures no

1558
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,839
and what is supposedly in the pictures

1559
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:25,520
i don't know other than she claims that

1560
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,640
it shows them with minor girls

1561
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,480
right but are we talking about sexually

1562
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,000
explicit photos

1563
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,240
well you know

1564
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:36,559
if you remember the island that jeffrey

1565
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,440
epstein owned was referred to

1566
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,359
as orgy island

1567
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:43,039
or pedophile island

1568
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:45,760
pedophile and orgy island uh

1569
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:48,720
interchangeably so it was a place where

1570
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,319
they would go and have these sex parties

1571
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:54,799
so it's your it's your belief that sarah

1572
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,680
is going to allege in this book

1573
01:05:03,750 --> 01:04:59,920
that bill clinton

1574
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:03,760
was with minors through epstein right

1575
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,559
yes that richard branson was with minors

1576
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:09,039
through epstein that that is what she

1577
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,079
has

1578
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,400
told at least one or two mainstream

1579
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:14,799
media outlets and i believe that that

1580
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:17,760
donald trump was with minors through

1581
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:18,559
scene

1582
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,920
yes that hillary clinton

1583
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,240
well hillary hillary clinton for those

1584
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:26,000
of you who don't know has been gay

1585
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,119
forever

1586
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:30,160
um and and and she was accused by uh

1587
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:31,680
another victim

1588
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,720
uh many years ago kathy o'brien who

1589
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:37,039
wrote a book transformation

1590
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:40,400
she too was a child sex slave these

1591
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:43,359
these um intelligence

1592
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,319
operations that use children as bait

1593
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:48,960
it's not a new thing for jeffrey epstein

1594
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:50,799
and glenn maxwell

1595
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,520
before this we had the franklin scandal

1596
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,599
before that you know there there were

1597
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:58,240
others um that there there's

1598
01:06:03,910 --> 01:06:01,599
jimmy savile in the uk i'm sure everyone

1599
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:03,920
has heard about him the there's the at

1600
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:08,240
the concord boys uh school

1601
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:10,240
the idea is that

1602
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,000
galen

1603
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,799
were working for massad on a blackmail

1604
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:18,400
scheme to

1605
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:19,359
get

1606
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:21,039
incriminating

1607
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:24,720
evidence on important people so that

1608
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:27,359
mossad would be able to manipulate them

1609
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:28,720
if need be

1610
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:31,119
i would rephrase that because i do

1611
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,400
believe that

1612
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:35,119
the cia was involved as well so i would

1613
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:38,640
say that they were working for the cia

1614
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:41,359
slash mossad which i look at at this

1615
01:06:48,109 --> 01:06:44,960
point as two sides of the same coin

1616
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,119
and and they were running a a

1617
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,720
state-sponsored uh trafficking ring that

1618
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,799
is what i believe and it's not the first

1619
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,359
time for black male purposes for black

1620
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,960
male purposes correct that means if

1621
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,480
you're including the cia and that you're

1622
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,720
saying the cia wanted to be in a

1623
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,000
position

1624
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:04,400
to able to be able to blackmail

1625
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:05,920
bill clinton

1626
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:08,240
donald trump richard branson

1627
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:12,079
so i i include a story in um

1628
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,119
in

1629
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:15,359
my book

1630
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:21,349
the head of let's say the fbi j edgar

1631
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:22,880
hoover

1632
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:26,160
was a closeted gay man

1633
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:29,839
not only was he a closeted gay man but

1634
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,400
he was set up in a quote a trap

1635
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:36,880
he would had an argument

1636
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:39,280
at one point with the then head of the

1637
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:41,039
cia

1638
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:47,280
the mob forever

1639
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,920
got these two guys um whose names are

1640
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:51,440
well known but i'm not going to mention

1641
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:52,160
them

1642
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:53,440
right now

1643
01:08:07,510 --> 01:07:54,640
to

1644
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,520
and then hoover sort of

1645
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,520
had to because

1646
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:12,480
also the photographs were held by

1647
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:13,839
the mob

1648
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:20,000
so over hoover himself so basically they

1649
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:23,359
told hoover you can't come near us leave

1650
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,480
us alone

1651
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:26,719
which he did until

1652
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,600
j.f kennedy's brother started going

1653
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:31,199
around and then we know what happened

1654
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,159
there

1655
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,480
um but but

1656
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:36,960
they always blackmail each other so for

1657
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:40,640
example a lot of people don't know that

1658
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:44,400
the newly elected president joe biden

1659
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:47,520
selected anthony blinken as secretary of

1660
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:48,719
state

1661
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,520
why did he do that and by the way

1662
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:53,279
antony blinken

1663
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:56,960
also worked uh in um

1664
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,120
i believe it was in bill clinton's white

1665
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,199
house with his stepsister

1666
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:03,600
now does that name ring a bell to you as

1667
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:06,719
it pertains to maxwell or no

1668
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:08,159
anthony blinken

1669
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,759
yes

1670
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:12,000
no remind me what's his connection to

1671
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:15,839
maxwell well robert maxwell

1672
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:18,960
had an advisor a lifelong advisor and

1673
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,480
attorney by the name of samuel pisar

1674
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,560
samuel pisar when

1675
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,799
was actually the last person that robert

1676
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:28,239
maxwell spoke

1677
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,319
with when he was on the lady galen

1678
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:35,120
before he fell or was pushed off his

1679
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:39,759
yacht on november the 5th 1991

1680
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,400
he was the last person to speak with him

1681
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,480
betty maxwell his widow

1682
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:46,080
called him

1683
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:47,679
uh and

1684
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:51,839
he took over the arrangements for this

1685
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:54,880
incredible funeral that was given to him

1686
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:58,320
in israel now granted robert maxwell had

1687
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,880
indeed purchased his own plot on the

1688
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,480
mount of olives

1689
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,159
however

1690
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:06,159
it was samuel

1691
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:07,920
pisar

1692
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,719
who

1693
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,480
stepped up to betty maxwell and said

1694
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,239
don't worry i'm going to take care of

1695
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,920
this

1696
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:16,000
what he ended up doing was of course all

1697
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,199
of the

1698
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:19,360
former prime ministers and

1699
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,640
anyone who was anyone he was given

1700
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,960
a farewell fitting for

1701
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:26,960
the head of a state right

1702
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:28,400
um

1703
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,159
that was arranged by samuel pizzar

1704
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,199
anthony that is anthony blinken's step a

1705
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,719
stepfather

1706
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:37,760
and

1707
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:40,800
pasar had a daughter leah

1708
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:44,480
who also worked in clinton's white house

1709
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:45,679
and um

1710
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:48,320
so that i guess my point is that glenn

1711
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,400
maxwell has friends lifelong friends

1712
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:54,640
samuel passart let me take this all the

1713
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:58,800
way back because it goes he was a

1714
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,760
confidante and quote advisor

1715
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:03,760
to john f kennedy

1716
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:04,560
well

1717
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:06,480
you know there's so many there's so many

1718
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,600
overlapping roles but this is a

1719
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,239
these connections

1720
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,120
are made because of the black male that

1721
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,960
is held between

1722
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:18,320
uh

1723
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:21,600
one country holds over another so i'm

1724
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:25,040
going to say that it's my gut feeling

1725
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,840
and

1726
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:27,440
allegedly

1727
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,239
that anthony blinken and his sister leah

1728
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:33,360
pizarr got those positions in the same

1729
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,560
way that

1730
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:36,960
glenn maxwell's nephews got their

1731
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,280
position in

1732
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,120
under hillary clinton when she was

1733
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:43,840
secretary of state because

1734
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:46,640
of of of blackmail

1735
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,360
that is how certain people ascend

1736
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,080
because of blackmail over someone okay

1737
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,480
well you put this person in there okay

1738
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,920
and you know and that's how certain

1739
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:57,760
people show up

1740
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,239
and so will something happen bad to

1741
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,719
glenn maxwell with her upcoming trial

1742
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,800
she's got too many friends that have

1743
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,560
been blackmailed and have been put into

1744
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,960
position of power powers she's going to

1745
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:11,280
be just fine

1746
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:12,000
you

1747
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,360
is going to be cut for her

1748
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:19,120
i mean every

1749
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,080
i think it's very unusual that for many

1750
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:24,400
things are unusual about the attorneys

1751
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:26,880
that are representing gulen maxwell many

1752
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:28,880
things are unusual about the fact that

1753
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:31,600
she has the entire second floor of a

1754
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,000
jail available to her

1755
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:35,760
everything about

1756
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,800
her case is just as unusual as

1757
01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:40,960
everything that was wrong with jeffrey

1758
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,400
epstein it's almost like it's it's

1759
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:45,840
unprecedented the the

1760
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:48,480
the attention that is being given to her

1761
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:52,320
uh and and just so many so many things

1762
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,840
um one of her attorneys bobby sternheim

1763
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:57,679
who i'm sure you're familiar with right

1764
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:01,280
as an attorney bobby sternheim no

1765
01:13:06,350 --> 01:13:04,880
okay well bobby sternheim happens to be

1766
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:06,360
remember nick

1767
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:10,400
tartaglioni the before epstein was found

1768
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,440
to have

1769
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:14,159
committed suicide

1770
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,000
slang for murdered in his jail cell um a

1771
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:20,960
few weeks before that this very big

1772
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:24,000
beefy guy from westchester new york that

1773
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,520
was in his like was his partner like

1774
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,239
what do you call a jail cell partner a

1775
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,719
roommate what do you call them cellmate

1776
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:34,960
a soulmate yes thank you remember when

1777
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,360
that big beefy guy that photographed

1778
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:39,600
nick tartaglioni

1779
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:42,719
put in jail because he murdered four

1780
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:46,400
people over a drug deal gone bad

1781
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:49,440
remember does that ring about okay well

1782
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,320
guess who's his attorney is

1783
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,709
isn't that a coincidence

1784
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,480
do you see how the worlds are like

1785
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:02,719
the hands are in the hen house

1786
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:05,040
who's protecting you are you saying that

1787
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,520
it's your belief that epstein was

1788
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,600
murdered that he didn't commit suicide

1789
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,320
100 i believe he was murdered

1790
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:14,719
and i believe i know who murdered him

1791
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,199
but but kirby there's

1792
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:18,800
zero

1793
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:21,040
evidence at least that we're aware of of

1794
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,719
that yeah there was a camera that wasn't

1795
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:24,239
working but there's a lot of cameras

1796
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:25,600
that were working

1797
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,480
um no evidence at all was collected that

1798
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,480
would indicate

1799
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,080
anyone other than epstein haven't been

1800
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:33,920
the one that did it so i mean that's

1801
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,480
that's the problem you have two cameras

1802
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,080
that are not working

1803
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:40,640
you have two guards that fell asleep

1804
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:45,040
you have a new guard that um

1805
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,080
allegedly uh

1806
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:50,719
wrote misinformation you have the fact

1807
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:53,440
that he was supposed to be under suicide

1808
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:55,840
watch after this guy nicholas

1809
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:58,719
tartaglioni although jeffrey epstein did

1810
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:01,679
say to his tell his attorneys this guy

1811
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:03,960
tried to kill me

1812
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:07,199
tartaglioni's attorneys came out

1813
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:10,480
and said to mainstream media

1814
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:18,149
i i i want to tell you where touch

1815
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:21,840
leonie comes from he comes from

1816
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,120
westchester i devote a chapter

1817
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,920
to him in my book uh jeffrey epstein

1818
01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:29,920
predator spy the third edition it's on

1819
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,520
amazon or it's on my website

1820
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:34,080
kirbysummers.com

1821
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:34,960
um

1822
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,840
chartaglioni is a former westchester

1823
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,000
police officer well who lives in

1824
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,840
westchester

1825
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:43,440
bill and hillary clinton moved to

1826
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:45,600
westchester and i have the year

1827
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,640
somewhere

1828
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:49,199
but um

1829
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:51,280
and who else has business interests in

1830
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,480
westchester

1831
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:55,040
donald trump opened up a

1832
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:57,360
golf um

1833
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:58,960
you know a golf what do you call these

1834
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:01,520
places the golf country club

1835
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,560
yeah that yeah so he opened one up and

1836
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,000
what's interesting is that there's a

1837
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:07,760
photograph that i have that has been

1838
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:09,520
scrubbed off the internet and i'll i'm

1839
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:11,920
happy to mail it to you email it to you

1840
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:14,640
there's a photograph of bill clinton and

1841
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,760
donald trump at the country club in 2016

1842
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:19,679
mind you when they're supposed to be

1843
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:23,600
arch enemies right well

1844
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:28,080
donald trump has grabbed him by the

1845
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,159
and and somebody snapped a photograph

1846
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:32,080
and i will send that to you and that was

1847
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:36,000
taken in 2016. at his at the golf club

1848
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:36,880
place

1849
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,719
um but

1850
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,480
what i wanted to get around

1851
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:42,400
to regarding let's say nicholas

1852
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,360
tartaglioni a former police officer

1853
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:48,239
just like we have heard from the maria

1854
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:49,760
farmer story

1855
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:53,280
that police officers in ohio also worked

1856
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,960
for leslie wexner we know that now as

1857
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:59,440
just it's part of mainstream media

1858
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:00,840
um

1859
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,760
reporting police officers whether they

1860
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:05,679
are

1861
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:08,800
working or on their off hours will

1862
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:11,920
typically work for the wealthy people of

1863
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,880
the

1864
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:15,440
area and westchester is also sort of

1865
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:18,480
like the small enclave um

1866
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,120
not not too dissimilar to let's say the

1867
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:23,600
new albany area where

1868
01:17:29,310 --> 01:17:27,040
wexner was so that it is very likely

1869
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:31,669
tartaglioni did some work for the

1870
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:38,550
before we

1871
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:39,679
we're probably going to have to have you

1872
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:41,040
on again because there's there's so much

1873
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:42,880
to to cover here

1874
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:44,960
um one thing that i wanted just to ask

1875
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,640
you briefly before we wrap up at least

1876
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:49,920
this interview um you have stumbled upon

1877
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,040
evidence that epstein was with

1878
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:55,679
very young girls as as young as eight

1879
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,360
years old i believe you state yes

1880
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:02,000
i mean that that is part of the that's

1881
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:02,960
part of

1882
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:05,600
what the police collected they collected

1883
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:06,560
um

1884
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:07,440
from

1885
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:10,159
trash bowls that were done in palm

1886
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:11,120
beach

1887
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,600
during the initial investigation

1888
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:15,920
uh these phone pads one of them was from

1889
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,600
john luke bernell

1890
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:20,000
who said something in a very cryptic way

1891
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,000
saying and i don't have it in front of

1892
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,800
me but i think i did send it to you and

1893
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:26,400
to um

1894
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:29,280
your your producer um it says something

1895
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:30,080
like

1896
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,120
two

1897
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:33,679
times um eight

1898
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:35,440
uh

1899
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,880
can give you a russian

1900
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:42,800
russian lesson as early as today

1901
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,560
something like that

1902
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:47,199
and there is other evidence uh you know

1903
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:50,320
i was contacted by several women who

1904
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,400
have told me they were children when

1905
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:54,960
they were introduced to epstein

1906
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:57,600
so they're there and and epstein frankly

1907
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:00,239
in his homes he had a photograph of a

1908
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,880
five-year-old little girl

1909
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,159
um

1910
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:06,480
pushing down her underwear that's part

1911
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:07,679
of the ex

1912
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:08,400
the

1913
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:12,480
part of

1914
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:13,520
this

1915
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:15,760
treasure trove of documents that we are

1916
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:16,719
seeing

1917
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:19,360
only because virginia defray had

1918
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,440
the good sense to sue galen maxwell and

1919
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,120
introduce all of this stuff into

1920
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,440
evidence and so we have that so that

1921
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:29,760
photograph of a five-year-old

1922
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:32,960
was in his home next to his bedroom

1923
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:35,199
and anyone that was in his homes would

1924
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:39,440
have seen walls covered with not just

1925
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:41,120
14 year olds

1926
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:43,280
but also little children

1927
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:44,800
fully nude

1928
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:48,560
anyone like prince andrew bill clinton

1929
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,280
alan dershowitz who went into that those

1930
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:53,280
homes would have seen these photographs

1931
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:54,480
he had

1932
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:02,320
very lewd of paintings everywhere but

1933
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:04,000
he's never i mean there's never been a

1934
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:07,520
report of anyone younger than

1935
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:18,550
there is a report of a the 12 year old

1936
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,120
triplets that john luke grinnell

1937
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:23,760
gifted jeffrey epstein for his birthday

1938
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:27,280
that he flew in from

1939
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:30,080
france and he gifted and that's how i

1940
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:34,239
start predator spy i start predator spy

1941
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:36,880
with that scene of the children

1942
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:38,960
being

1943
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:42,320
you know lured into jeffrey epstein's uh

1944
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:45,440
home and and being sexually molested by

1945
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:48,320
him and it's part of virginia to frey's

1946
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,360
um statement uh that

1947
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:53,760
she knows about this and that he bragged

1948
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:54,800
to her

1949
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,280
and said you know and he was laughing

1950
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:59,520
and saying that he really got off on how

1951
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small they were because of

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their body being a certain way and what

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he ended up making them do so this is

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part of

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these are court documents

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and where is virginia guffrey today

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she lives in australia

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and is she

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she she's got these cases going on right

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yes she has the law the lawsuit uh that

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was just recently filed against prince

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andrew and are you in are you in

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personal touch with her

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uh i'm not gonna i'm not gonna answer

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that

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new york to testify uh galen at at trial

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i'll tell you who i know is going to

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testify uh the pharmacist well maria

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former because annie farmer is one of

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the three

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uh

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actually now there's a fourth

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victim

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so

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if this if there's a trial and i believe

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it's going to if there if it gets to

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that point i believe it will be like

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iran contra where it'll be sort of a

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closed door thing but scheduled to be

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for her sister annie

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and also because galen maxwell has just

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recently

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uh

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requested

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you know when you what's that word when

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you petition someone to to hand over

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some documents to the court that's

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called something in legalese

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a subpoena she has just recently

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subpoenaed annie farmer and maria farmer

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for things that they have in their

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possession

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from like

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1999 let's call it 1995

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so she wants these things

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1995 1996. so it's 1996. i i i stand

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corrected

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and and bottom line you absolutely

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believe glenn

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if she were to go to trial deserves to

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be convicted that she was aware of

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everything that epstein was doing she

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participated in

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the blackmail schemes the solicitation

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of the girls

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and even

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sometimes in sex with the girls

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yes i i because i believe the victims

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yes i believe wholeheartedly if brad

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edwards was also

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interviewed and has also alleged that it

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was glenn maxwell's entry into jeffrey

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epstein's life that sort of began this

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collection of children so that it was

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actually her

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and this is brad edwards talking

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that started the ball rolling that went

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out and got the the initial girls that

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sort of created this pyramid scheme so

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yes do i believe glenn maxwell is guilty

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yes i believe that

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thank you again to kirby summers you can

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check out her book galaine maxwell an

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unauthorized biography the shocking true

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story of jeffrey epstein's alleged madam

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thank you to our producer michael parker

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